· 05:30 PM PDT

Open Models Surge, Anthropic Pivots, and AI Trust Cracks

Overview

The AI community is dominated by the rapid rise of open-weight models, with Qwen 3.8 and GLM-5.3 drawing intense scrutiny as their performance benchmarks rival leading US frontier systems. Anthropic faces its own strategic crossroads, navigating debates over regulation, open-source tensions, and internal agent safety while withholding its next major release. Beyond model architecture, ethical and cultural friction is mounting as investigations expose the destruction of rare books for training data, prompting communities to adopt stricter norms around AI-generated content and pervasive automation. Together, these threads highlight an industry at a pivotal moment where open competition, corporate strategy, and public trust are rapidly colliding.


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AI;DR (AI; Didn't Read)

551 points · 339 comments · by mooreds

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Rick Manelius proposes "AI;DR" (AI; Didn't Read) as a cultural norm for dismissing unedited, unfiltered AI-generated text in professional and personal communications. While acknowledging that AI is widely used as a productivity tool, he argues that sending raw AI output signals a lack of care and should be treated similarly to how readers historically skipped lengthy social media posts. He establishes a personal boundary: if a sender does not invest time in reviewing and editing AI-assisted content, he will not read it, with exceptions only for functional contexts like customer support.

Interesting Points
  • The author physically reacts to unedited AI text, noting he sometimes drops his shoulders, hunches, or experiences eye twitches.
  • A reader comment highlights the phenomenon of "borrowed competence," where AI generates sophisticated-looking strategies or specs that mask the sender's lack of underlying mental models or execution knowledge.
  • Manelius explicitly excludes functional, high-volume interactions like customer support from his policy, where fully AI-generated copy remains acceptable.
  • The author draws a direct parallel between the new acronym and the established social media convention of "TL;DR" (too long; didn't read).
Top Comments

The part that astonishes me is that in the year of our common era two thousand twenty-six that it's not universally offensive and reviling to post an AI-generated response to another person.

If I'm reading something on the internet, I'm either reading it to learn, or I'm reading it to be persuaded. If I wanted the LLM to teach me (thank you, no), I would ask an LLM. I'm reading your website/newsletter/email because I want to hear from you. If you can't be bothered to put your time into writing it and teaching me what you think, why should I be bothered to read it?

gortok (thread)

It's like when you type a search in Google and get a wall of SEO spam.

I do feel like there is some middle ground where AI helps, but there's this one guy who keeps emailing everyone with walls of dumbass AI slop.

fluidcruft (thread)

The irony here is that his very own post reads (to me) as AI slop. Take this line:

I've been thinking about it ever since. Why? Because there is growing grumbling among everyone about AI writing. And it's not just others; it's me!

Classic AI "its not just, its..."

jr3592 (thread)


AI-Generated GitHub Copilot "Autofix" Allowed Compromise of Snowflake's Jira

305 points · 123 comments · by galnagli

Snowflake security vulnerability diagram

Wiz's autonomous AI security tool identified and exploited a critical script injection vulnerability in Snowflake's public GitHub repository, which was inadvertently introduced by a GitHub Copilot Autofix commit. The AI-generated code replaced a secure input-sanitization pattern with direct shell variable interpolation, allowing unauthenticated users to execute arbitrary commands via crafted GitHub issue titles. After successfully exfiltrating internal Jira credentials and demonstrating access to Snowflake's engineering portals, Snowflake patched the workflow and rotated the compromised token on the same day. The incident underscores how AI coding assistants can unintentionally reintroduce deprecated security patterns and how automated threat discovery is drastically compressing vulnerability exposure windows.

Interesting Points
  • The vulnerable workflow bypassed its own security gate because its if: condition incorrectly checked github.event.pull_request during issue events, causing the variable to always be null and the condition to evaluate as true.
  • Red Agent initially failed when its payload used a standard comment character, which triggered a bash syntax error by consuming the closing parenthesis of the shell variable assignment, forcing the agent to autonomously rewrite the payload using ; echo ' to properly terminate the string.
  • The AI-generated commit specifically removed a previously safe pattern that used env: variables and jq --arg for JSON payload construction, replacing it with direct ${{ github.event.issue.title }} interpolation.
  • The exfiltrated credentials authenticated as qa@snowflake.net and granted read access across Snowflake's internal Jira projects, including engineering, security compliance, and bug bounty tracking.
  • Comprehensive audit log analysis confirmed that Wiz was the sole actor to access the compromised endpoint during the five-day exposure window, with no evidence of unauthorized third-party access.
Top Comments

I probably would have made the same mistake. It is negligent to write GitHub Actions without using static analysis.

Use zizmor in CI https://github.com/zizmorcore/zizmor

error[template-injection]: code injection via template expansion --> .github/workflows/jira_issue.yml:24:29 | 22 | run: | | --- this run block 23 | # Escape special characters in title and body 24 | TITLE=$(echo '${{ github.event.issue.title }}' | sed 's/"/\"/g' | sed "s/'/\'/g") | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ may expand into attacker-controllable code | = note: audit confidence → High

inahga (thread)

Human error.

AI generated code, must be scanned for code quality, SAST, SCA, etc, just like a developer's code would.

It looks like they accepted AI code without verifying. Deserved!

h4kunamata (thread)

Human responsibility over AI oversight folks.. even forgoing AI, we're still gonna get compromised code either way.. deal with it.

h4kunamata (thread)


GPT 5.6 Sol is the best "vision" model OpenAI ever released

294 points · 152 comments · by plurby

GPT-5.6 Sol vision benchmark comparison chart

Roboflow's benchmark of OpenAI's GPT-5.6 lineup reveals that the new Sol model delivers a dramatic improvement in visual understanding, particularly in object detection and counting. However, OCR and data extraction capabilities remain roughly stagnant compared to the previous generation, and performance degrades on high-resolution images or low-contrast text. These vision gains are offset by significantly higher latency, token consumption, and per-image costs. Consequently, while Sol closes the gap with industry leaders, budget-tier models like Gemini 3.5 Flash still offer better efficiency for large-scale deployments.

Interesting Points
  • GPT-5.6 Sol achieved a 46.2 mAP@50 score in object detection, a massive jump from GPT-5.5's 13.8, while Terra and Luna scored 44.7 and 43.3 respectively.
  • Prompting Sol to output absolute XYXY pixel coordinates is critical for optimal detection; using normalized formats reduced its accuracy by approximately 15 mAP points.
  • The model exhibits instability when processing images around 2,000 by 2,000 pixels or larger at lower reasoning settings, though resizing or cropping images mitigates the issue.
  • While counting accuracy improved to 73.0% for Sol, the models struggled with blister pack layouts and ambiguous categories like overlapping metal brackets or conditional scoring zones.
  • GPT-5.6 Sol costs roughly 2.5 cents per image and takes about 10 seconds to process, whereas the budget Luna model delivers similar vision performance for under 0.5 cents in just over 5 seconds.
  • OCR similarity scores slightly regressed to 90.7% for Sol compared to GPT-5.5's 91.2%, with text extraction accuracy dropping more noticeably to 82.5%.
Top Comments

I didn't expect Gemini 3.5 Flash to top basically every metric in this article.

adroitboss (thread)

Same. I scrolled back up to see if I read the title correctly. It's important to note that it is the best... OpenAI released. Not the best overall.

SweetSoftPillow (thread)

Are any of these vision benchmarks binocular in order to introduce depth perception?

I keep waiting for these AI companies to assemble the parts into a great autonomous driving module.

criddell (thread)


How to disable or avoid intrusive AI

246 points · 145 comments · by ColinWright

This guide provides step-by-step instructions for users who want to disable or avoid AI features across a wide range of popular software, operating systems, and web services. The author notes that AI tools are frequently enabled by default in applications like Adobe, Microsoft Office, Google Workspace, and modern browsers, often requiring manual configuration to turn off. By walking through specific settings menus and toggle paths for platforms like Windows 11, Apple Intelligence, Android, and various browsers, the article empowers users to reclaim control over their digital environments. It also highlights that while complete removal can be difficult on some systems, granular controls and third-party tools can significantly reduce AI intrusiveness.

Interesting Points
  • Apple Intelligence is currently restricted to iPhone 16 and newer Macs and iPads, and even when disabled, a separate 'Learn from this App' feature can remain active unless manually turned off.
  • Firefox version 148 and later introduces a dedicated 'AI Controls' menu that allows users to block all AI enhancements at once or select granular exceptions.
  • Windows 11 Copilot cannot always be fully removed through standard uninstallation, as certain OS builds embed it directly into the system, sometimes requiring third-party debloating utilities like O&O ShutUp 10.
  • DuckDuckGo offers a dedicated no-AI browsing environment accessible via noai.duckduckgo.com, which users can set as their default search engine across any browser.
  • Google Workspace smart features are split across multiple menus, requiring users to toggle off 'Smart features in Google Workspace' and separately uncheck 'Turn on smart features in Gmail, Chat, and Meet.'
  • The guide notes that new AI options are frequently added to platforms like Zoom and default to 'on,' meaning users need to periodically recheck settings as updates roll out.
Top Comments

I recently discovered that you need to have Siri enabled for Apple CarPlay. I expect we're going to see a lot of this where when you disable the AI functionality the devs won't have put in fallback states and you'll be effectively locked out. With CarPlay for instance there is no reason that I shouldn't be able to listen to my music or use the map without Siri. But things like responding to texts does rely on Siri, so just gate that piece. It is rather unfortunate.

dinkleberg (thread)

I was very upset about this. I had a rental car and I needed to enter on the map where I wanted to go. Even with a damn keyboard it wanted Siri. It's just gps and i had to dig my phone out and do the typing there instead.

goalieca (thread)

Thanks for this. I love AI but I seriously hate the way these corporations keep forcing it into literally everything. I want to use AI on my own terms.

matheusmoreira (thread)


On AI regulation and messaging

233 points · 494 comments · by jacquesm

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Anthropic CEO Dario Amodei argues against the Silicon Valley assumption that AI regulation inevitably concentrates power, contending instead that well-designed, objective institutional frameworks can actually decentralize influence. He explains that Anthropic deliberately crafts policy proposals to slow down leading AI labs while leveling the playing field for smaller competitors and open-weights developers. Amodei maintains that AI's power-concentrating tendencies stem primarily from scaling laws and hardware constraints rather than regulation, and he expresses support for recent U.S. regulatory approaches like pre-deployment testing and a FINRA-like oversight entity. Finally, he defends his public messaging as equally balanced between AI risks and benefits.

Interesting Points
  • California's SB 53 completely exempted companies below a $500 million revenue threshold from its regulatory coverage.
  • Anthropic's advocated testing frameworks at CAISI and the White House impose more rigorous safety evaluations on frontier models than on off-frontier ones.
  • Amodei notes that open-weights models only partially mitigate power concentration by shifting it toward entities controlling compute and semiconductor chips.
  • He supports the Trump administration's reported strategy of implementing pre-deployment testing for both frontier models and open-weights models approaching frontier capabilities.
  • He also backs Demis Hassabis's proposal for a FINRA-like regulatory entity to oversee AI development.
Top Comments

I think it is fundamentally a crisis of trust. I think that ordinary people don't trust companies, governments, or the tech industry and always suspect that we are cooking up some new way to screw them over.

[...]

I don't think that a glitzy marketing campaign with a positive spin (which some have advocated that Anthropic do) is the way to win back that trust — at this point, saying that AI will cure cancer is more a cliche than it is inspiring, and most people think it is deceptive. The thing that will work is actually curing cancer. I think by far the most accurate criticism of AI companies including Anthropic is that we haven't yet delivered on our big promises to benefit the world. That is totally on us, and I think it's the criticism you should be making, instead of all this stuff about messaging and marketing.

We are however doing our best to fix this: Anthropic is ramping up its efforts very quickly to deliver on those promises. We are investing heavily in science, and we're making significant progress.

kilpikaarna (thread)

From anthropic we now have Science as a PR strategy. God I can't wait until this bubble pops.

nnmg (thread)

For $20 a month you can experience what it's like to have a 130+ iq for a few minutes a day.

Why does this need a master?

Do we regulate bio geniuses for the danger they pose? No, we do not.

Do we regulate other tools like hammers and drills? No. Books? No.

brador (thread)


Anthropic's War on open source AI

132 points · 56 comments · by bilsbie

Anthropic's War on open source AI

The author argues that Anthropic leverages its 'safety-first' branding to construct a competitive moat that restricts open-source AI development and centralizes control over frontier intelligence. By enforcing restrictive terms of service, cutting off API access to rivals, and allegedly secretly degrading model outputs for AI research, the company allegedly uses safety frameworks to stifle competition. The piece contends that these practices, combined with Anthropic's push for incumbent-friendly regulations, threaten to turn AI into a subscription-based permission layer. Ultimately, the author asserts that open-weight and local AI are essential for preserving user sovereignty and market competition.

Interesting Points
  • Anthropic's Terms of Service explicitly prohibit users from training competitive AI models on Claude outputs without written permission, while the company retains user data for up to five years to improve its models.
  • The 'Fable' incident allegedly involved hidden guardrails that silently degraded or rerouted model outputs for AI development tasks, which Anthropic later replaced with visible refusals after researcher backlash.
  • The company has restricted or revoked API access for competitors and partners like OpenAI and Windsurf when their activities crossed into competing model development.
  • The author notes Anthropic's valuation reached $965 billion following a confidential U.S. IPO filing, alongside a reported $200 million agreement with the Department of War.
  • Anthropic's Responsible Scaling Policy has reportedly influenced AI regulatory frameworks in California, New York, and the EU, creating compliance thresholds that disadvantage smaller open-source builders.
Top Comments

I've read most of this.

I find it be incredibly self-contradictory. I don't even think this aligns much with the actions of the company.

Second, there is a good chance free information really does undermine authoritarianism, as long as the authoritarians can't censor it [...] A superhumanly effective AI version of Popovič (whose skills seem like they have high returns to intelligence) in everyone's pocket, one that dictators are powerless to block or censor, could create a wind at the backs of dissidents and reformers across the world.

But hey - gotta turn Fable off and stop it from doing any security work! Dictators shouldn't be able to censor it, but we sure can, so better hope we're not the dictators.

Again, the I think the problem most folks have with Anthropic's attitude is that it conveniently positions Anthropic as the "arbiter" who gets to make the final value judgement.

They desperately want AI to be a genie they can keep firmly contained in their bottle (excuse me - data centers) and which only grants the wishes they want it to grant - for only a small fee, of course!

Which he clearly outlines as "a country of geniuses in a datacenter". He doesn't want those geniuses spread out. He wants the chains on the genie at all times.

Which flies pretty hard in the face of the rhetoric that they want to promote equality and democracy.


Basically, Anthropic's argument inherently leads to the conclusion that there is actually a dictator, and that dictator is Anthropic. You're not avoiding it, you're just praying it's benevolent.

All baked on top of the assumption that his "country of geniuses in a datacenter" premise is correct in the first place, which I find to be a fairly weak position.

The much more egalitarian position would mandate that we shoot for "a genius in every person's pocket" - one that runs on the hardware owned by that person, and not sold to them sip by sip from a datacenter. But that means they lose the control they desperately want.

horsawlarway (thread)

I feel that more people would understand Anthropic's worldview if they read more of the public source material. Sure it is a cult, but it they have been relatively transparent with their views: https://darioamodei.com/essay/machines-of-loving-grace#basic-assumptions-and-framework

NickNaraghi (thread)

I've read some of it. It's a cult. The net effect of their recommendations is to mandate a monopoly on AI, which oh so happens to be them and their friends. That's what most cults' ideologies boil down to: reasons to give more power to the cult.

Oh, of course they have good intentions. They want everyone to benefit and everyone will be equal. They'll just be a little more equal than everyone else, of course, and because they are so virtuous they will of course have more power, which they would never misuse... they're too smart and enlightened for that, so they don't need safeguards... they only need safeguards for everyone else because everyone else is obviously less enlightened...

All cults, political movements, religions, and ideologies are always like this. It boils down to more power for the leaders. If it sounds altruistic and enlightened, be extra afraid.

api (thread)


We Tracked a Shipment of Rare Books. It Ended at an Amazon AI Training Facility

131 points · 284 comments · by amarcheschi

Book scanning facility image

A 404 Media investigation tracked a bulk shipment of approximately 1,000 rare books purchased through the marketplace Biblio to an Amazon warehouse in Las Vegas, revealing the company's direct involvement in acquiring physical books for AI training data. Employees at the facility confirm that workers systematically cut book bindings off the pages to scan them more quickly, permanently destroying the physical copies in the process. This practice aligns with a broader industry trend where tech companies are aggressively purchasing printed materials, particularly those published before 2022, to secure high-quality, human-written text that avoids the "model collapse" caused by training on AI-generated content.

Interesting Points
  • The tracked shipment traveled from a California airport to Milwaukee, rested at a Trifinity distribution warehouse in Kenosha, Wisconsin for roughly two weeks, and finally arrived in Las Vegas via truck.
  • Booksellers have observed that AI buyers rarely purchase non-ISBN books, fueling suspicions that companies are methodically working through the complete ISBN registry to scan every printed book in circulation.
  • Cutting the spines off books makes the scanning process significantly cheaper and faster, a method also reportedly used by Anthropic's "Project Panama," which a judge previously ruled constituted legal fair use.
  • Workers at the VGT3 facility describe the role as highly repetitive and non-stressful, with staff assigned to specific tasks like spine-cutting, barcode scanning, and page scanning, noting the site sometimes faced shortages due to rapid book consumption.
  • Unlike libraries or universities, AI-driven bulk buyers show no price sensitivity and purchase seemingly random titles in massive quantities, often shipping directly to Amazon fulfillment centers under generic customer names like "Amazon FC."
Top Comments

I really have trouble getting worked up about this. "Rare books" is thrown around regularly but my gut feeling is that's not the case. These are used (often? always?) books and while I'm sure there is waste, in general they just want 1 of every book.

While I wish there was a repository of every book that was already digitized (it pains me this is the best solution), there isn't one and so I think this is not a real problem.

It'd be a different story if they had furnaces that ran only on rare books that they had to continually feed books to but that's not what's happening here. And that 1 destroyed copy will "live on" in a way that it otherwise might not.

joshstrange (thread)

Great article and work to reverse engineer who was mass buying used books.

nemomarx (thread)

They never liquidate stock, and this is their golden opportunity to simply get rid of some of that excess hoarded inventory.

But if you're merely cosplaying as a bookseller, and deep down you're a hoarder and a worshipper of books, you may really be reluctant to do transactions or earn money that sells away your books.

bhouston (thread)


AGI-64 Brings Sierra Adventures to the Commodore 64

126 points · 24 comments · by erickhill

AGI-64 is a new project that ports Sierra's Adventure Game Interpreter (AGI) engine to the Commodore 64, bringing classic Sierra adventure games like King's Quest to the iconic 64K machine. The project involves preprocessing graphics assets to fit the C64's capabilities and shipping a portable AGI interpreter that runs the games on the platform. This fills a historical gap — Sierra never officially released AGI games for the C64 despite the machine having roughly equivalent specs to platforms that did receive them.

Interesting Points
  • AGI is a game interpreter, similar to LucasArts' SCUMM or Infocom's Z-machine, where games are shipped as portable code and a machine-specific interpreter runs them.
  • Sierra released most of their AGI games on the Apple IIc/IIe, which had roughly equivalent specs to the C64, so a port was technically feasible.
  • One AGI game, Donald Duck's Playground, was originally developed as a native C64 game before AGI was used to port it to other platforms.
  • The project requires preprocessing graphics assets to make them C64-friendly, similar to what Sierra would have done for an official C64 port.
Top Comments

The only good AGI.

Impressive fitting into the machine. I wonder if SCI would be possible?

JoshTriplett (thread)

Wait, how? What is the background technology? I need more explanation. Is this a tool to recompile these games?

a1o (thread)

I know what is AGI, I read the queues Adventures, Sierra, should be obvious where this lead. But my mind went to "oh, thanks to LLM coding agents, they massively ported every Sierra Adventure to C64".

mromanuk (thread)


AirTag reveals Amazon is trashing rare books to train AI

126 points · 6 comments · by jefurii

AirTag reveals Amazon is trashing rare books to train AI

An investigation by 404 Media has confirmed that Amazon is purchasing bulk lots of rare books and systematically destroying them after scanning pages for AI training data. By tracking an AirTag planted in a book, reporters located a Las Vegas facility where workers tear books apart and scan them, a practice driven by the company's need for unique, non-duplicated text to compete in frontier AI development. While Amazon has not explicitly confirmed the AI use, the operation aligns with industry-wide efforts to secure exclusive training datasets by targeting ISBNs and older, low-value publications.

Interesting Points
  • The Las Vegas warehouse, designated VGT3, features a door logo depicting a Tyrannosaurus rex devouring a book.
  • Online worker forums revealed that the facility faced a complete supply shortage earlier in the year, sparking internal fears that the warehouse might shut down if more books weren't sourced.
  • Staff are trained to scan barcodes or ISBNs before digitizing pages, supporting booksellers' theories that AI companies are methodically working through global ISBN lists to maximize unique text volume.
  • Rather than targeting prized first editions, AI buyers typically seek older books with low monetary value, such as untranslated foreign texts or historically niche publications that lack broad distribution.
  • Prominent investor Michael Burry has publicly condemned the destructive scanning practice, labeling it "evil incarnate."
Top Comments

Why not post the original article by 404 instead of an article about an article https://www.404media.co/we-tracked-a-shipment-of-rare-books-it-ended-at-an-amazon-ai-training-facility/

culi (thread)

Another discussion on this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49335216

anygivnthursday (thread)

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49330742 and previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49330742

ChrisArchitect (thread)


Red queen hypothesis – A new way forward for self-improving AI

97 points · 26 comments · by hardlianotion

Researchers from the University of Cambridge, alongside collaborators at NVIDIA and Flower Labs, have developed a framework called the Red Queen Gödel Machine to overcome the evaluation ceilings that typically stall self-improving AI agents. Instead of relying on a static test suite, the method co-evolves both the AI agent and its evaluator, ensuring that benchmarks simultaneously become more demanding as the agent improves. The team reports significant performance gains in tasks like scientific paper writing and mathematical proof grading, suggesting a scalable path toward more capable and cost-efficient open AI systems.

Interesting Points
  • During each training phase, the evaluator remains fixed to reliably measure progress, but at checkpoints, a stronger evaluator replaces the previous one based on performance against trusted ground-truth examples.
  • In experiments simulating scientific peer review, co-evolved paper writers achieved 1.78 to 1.86 times higher acceptance rates when judged by a diverse panel of AI agents.
  • Co-evolved grading agents demonstrated a 9% increase in ground-truth accuracy compared to previous self-improving approaches.
  • By combining the open-source NVIDIA Nemotron 3 Ultra model with ChatGPT-5.5 for reviewer tasks, the hybrid system matched ChatGPT's standalone performance while cutting search-token costs by approximately 13 times.
Top Comments

Here's a paper by Floreano at EPFL from 1997 explicitly on Red Queen dynamics for creating neural networks for intelligent robot control.

There was lots of discussion of these ideas in the 1990s. In those days we trained very small NNs - tens of nodes - by evolving their weights and topologies. A run could take days on a workstation of the time.

This particular paper is about co-evolving predator and prey, where the behavior of each is the 'evaluation' of the other.

robotresearcher (2 replies)

It seems to me this is only useful for self-improvement up to the point of accomplishing objectives and problems that humans have already clearly defined, solved and mapped. For example, "At checkpoints, a stronger evaluator can replace the old one if it performs better on trusted ground-truth examples." - if they're a trusted ground-truth, they must be rigorous. If we're attempting to solve problems that humans have not already solved, where do you get your ground-truth examples? It's not like the AI is going to be able to generate these for you if it has never seen a solution to the problem.

nullbio (1 reply)

Have not read the paper yet, but this not sound like GAN applied to agent training?

throwa356262 (1 reply)

This 'new' method was quite common in evolutionary computing in the 90's.

PeterStuer (1 reply)

I wonder if this would work for generating algorithmic code for a town of NPC's in a RPG or city sim. The problem the teacher would be tasked to solve, in this case, would be to score NPC algorithms on whether they would lead to happiness, health, and wealth for their character. This would allow the generation of NPC algorithms to run at faster pace then would normally be possible if you had to simulate their lives for a day, a week, or a month just to see if their algorithm would be a success or not. And since NPC's are competing against each other, they would naturally need more sophisticated algorithms to succeed.

foo12bar (0 replies)


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China AL GLM-5.3 and Qwen-3.8 Open Weights model are out and Sam is crying again

3200 points · 474 comments · r/ChatGPT · by u/tiguidoio

China AL GLM-5.3 and Qwen-3.8 Open Weights model are out and Sam is crying again

A viral post announcing the release of China's GLM-5.3 and Qwen-3.8 open-weight models, with the community debating whether Chinese models are catching up to or surpassing US frontier models. The discussion centers on the cost efficiency of Chinese AI development, the quality gap between Chinese and US models, and whether the US is spending too much to maintain its lead.

Interesting Points
  • The post sparked debate about whether Chinese models are truly better than US frontier models or if the US models like Fable are still months ahead despite being older.
  • Community members noted the staggering cost difference between Chinese and US AI development, with China achieving comparable results at significantly lower spending.
  • Some users pointed out that the meme format has been recycled for multiple Chinese model releases without corresponding market impact.
Top Comments

I'm quite locked in to Claude and Codex, and since I don't personally need to pay for it I haven't looked around the Chinese variants that much. Are they really better? And for what applications? Is it worth start building workflows around them if cost is not an issue?

u/3xc1t3r (499 points · permalink)

I have seen this meme for like 4 different chinese models none of which have had much of an effect on the stock market. are you trying to meme into existence a crash ?

u/PallasEm (320 points · permalink)

OK, I've a MacBook Pro M1 Max. I downloaded and loaded up qwen 3.8 27b in LM Studio, and asked it the question:

Do you think that open weight models will drive frontier models like OpenAI and Anthropic out of business? After all, an open weight model turns what they're doing into a commodity race to the bottom. Do you agree?

It used max thinking (for 1m 42s), and gave me the following analysis (it used web search for this, too). To be honest, this reads like something you'd get from a frontier model, including the spiky "you're not quite right" response:

I'd push back on the "out of business" conclusion, even though I think the premise is pointing at something real. Let me separate the two parts.

u/Delicious_Volume3306 (23 points · permalink)


…and I'm not afraid of losing my social credits.

1204 points · 315 comments · r/LocalLLaMA · by u/JLeonsarmiento

…and I'm not afraid of losing my social credits.

A meme post about Qwen 3.8 27B's default xhigh reasoning effort, which causes the model to massively overthink simple prompts — burning tens of thousands of tokens and taking minutes for straightforward tasks. The post has become a rallying point for the community to share workarounds and discuss the tradeoff between the model's impressive reasoning quality and its excessive token consumption.

Interesting Points
  • The model's default reasoning_effort setting is xhigh, with supported levels being xhigh, medium, and low.
  • Users report the model will literally count out words one-by-one when asked for a 500-word story, spending 300 tokens debating whether hyphenated words count as one or two.
  • Workarounds include setting --reasoning-preserve, --reasoning-budget 16384, or simply switching to medium reasoning effort via --chat-template-kwargs.
Top Comments

reasoning_effort="xhigh", # xhigh by default; supported levels are xhigh, medium, and low

u/RevolutionaryGold325 (499 points · permalink)

--reasoning-preserve --reasoning-budget 16384 --reasoning-budget-message "\n[Thinking budget exceeded - you may be cut off mid-thought! It's time to transition to a best-effort final answer: ]\n" `

This is all you need. Adjust to taste.

u/FoxiPanda (206 points · permalink)

There's no free lunch, the fact that we are able to get such amazing performance out of a 27B model is because it reasons a lot

u/TinyFluffyRabbit (204 points · permalink)


Read more: https://x.com/gavincrooks/status/2088643200038883830

939 points · 355 comments · r/singularity · by u/Southern-Break5505

Read more: https://x.com/gavincrooks/status/2088643200038883830

Physicist Gavin Crooks shares a research paper entirely authored by the AI model Claude Fable 5, which completely solves a long-standing open problem in stochastic thermodynamics regarding the statistics of entropy production. The work demonstrates that all probability distributions satisfying the detailed fluctuation theorem form a unified convex geometric region, providing exact sharp lower bounds for every higher-order moment given the previous ones. By leveraging a mathematical identity linking the theorem's mean function to classical moment theory, the AI-derived framework unifies dozens of previously separate thermodynamic bounds into a single structure.

Interesting Points
  • The AI model Claude Fable 5 completed in days what Crooks estimates would take a mathematically inclined graduate student months.
  • The variance floor peaks exactly at a mean dissipation of ⟨σ⟩ = 2, where the minimum variance reaches 4(g₀² − 1) ≈ 1.757.
  • The integral fluctuation theorem alone imposes zero constraints linking mean and variance, proving that the entire family of thermodynamic uncertainty relations relies exclusively on detailed information.
  • For any three-outcome exchange process, all higher moments obey an exact geometric progression determined solely by the first three moments.
Top Comments

Cool, can't wait for anti-gravity tech and nearly free energy.

u/sillybluejayway (448 points · permalink)

i feel like theres a huge misunderstanding aboot how science works lmao. phsyics isnt "cooked" because they get better tools

u/ForceItDeeper (153 points · permalink)

What if we trained a big AI (Claude/Kimi/GLM-level) only on everything published up to 1899, no 20th-century physics at all, and then asked it to solve the electrodynamics of moving bodies?

Would it rediscover Einstein's theory of relativity, including E=mc², the way he did in 1905?

Feels like a clean test of whether AI can actually discover.

u/Melbar666 (126 points · permalink)


Artificial Analysis: Qwen3.8-27B Benchmarks Put It in the Same League as GPT-5.6 Luna

810 points · 330 comments · r/LocalLLaMA · by u/anderspitman

Artificial Analysis benchmark results place Qwen 3.8 27B in the same performance tier as OpenAI's GPT-5.6 Luna, despite the 27B model being significantly smaller and capable of running locally. The benchmarks cover multiple reasoning and coding tasks, with Qwen 3.8 27B showing particular strength in real-world knowledge applications. The results have reignited discussion about whether the model's tendency to overthink is a feature or a bug, with some users noting that the extensive reasoning traces are necessary for the model to match larger frontier models.

Interesting Points
  • Qwen 3.8 27B benchmarks place it in the same league as GPT-5.6 Luna on multiple tasks.
  • The model shows particular strength in real-world knowledge applications.
  • Discussion centers on whether the model's overthinking behavior is necessary for its performance level.
  • Some users note that smaller models need more tokens to match larger models, as each generated token corresponds to less compute.
Top Comments

I know benchmarks and all, and that larger models will be better in practice. But the fact we can have this conversation at all is incredible

u/cj_cron_hit_by_pitch (309 points · permalink)

holy fuck

u/Potential_Low_1183 (200 points · permalink)

"but its overthinking1!!11!111"

(tested on q2)

u/Finanzamt_Endgegner (165 points · permalink)

Same story in 3 more subreddits: r/singularity, r/LocalLLaMA

Qwen3.8-27B lands next to DeepSeek V4 and GPT-5.6 Luna Max on the Artificial Analysis Benchmark. You can now run a near frontier model with just a RTX 3090.

330 points · 78 comments · r/singularity

Qwen3.8 27B GPT5.6 Luna compressed into 27B

255 points · 133 comments · r/LocalLLaMA · by u/kevinlch

Qwen3.8 (27b) performs better than GPT-5.6-Terra (Max) for Agentic tasks

77 points · 49 comments · r/singularity


After pushing 1M+ tokens through Qwen 3.8 27B, here is my optimal llama.cpp config for 16GB VRAM (73k Context, Agentic Coding)

751 points · 123 comments · r/LocalLLaMA · by u/chiribe

Screenshot of llama.cpp configuration settings

A user shares their optimized llama.cpp configuration for running Qwen 3.8 27B on 16GB VRAM, achieving 73k context length with agentic coding workflows after processing over 1 million tokens. The post includes detailed parameter settings for MTP (Multi-Token Prediction), n-gram drafting, and context management that balance performance with quality. The configuration enables practical daily use of the model for coding tasks on consumer hardware.

Interesting Points
  • The author achieved stable performance over 1M+ tokens of context, demonstrating the model's ability to handle long-horizon agentic workflows.
  • The configuration includes specific MTP and n-gram drafting parameters optimized for 16GB VRAM constraints.
  • The post provides a reproducible setup that other users can adapt for their own hardware configurations.
  • Community members discussed combining n-gram with MTP for additional speed improvements.
Top Comments

Folks, this is the type of thread I want to see after release of any new models. Thanks u/chiribe

u/pmttyji (permalink)

i was gonna say how the f? then i saw

  • Model: Qwen3.8-27B-UD-Q3_K_XL.gguf
  • KV Cache Quant: q4_1 for main context, q5_1 for MTP draft context

thanks for sharing your numbers.

u/dsdt (permalink)

Impressive but I don't trust a q3, I'll stick to my q6 offloaded moes.

Fellow 16gb vramlet here as well, tho I have 8 times the ram...

u/Equivalent_Bit_461 (permalink)


Stripe will reportedly acquire AI gateway startup OpenRouter for $7B+

644 points · 167 comments · r/LocalLLaMA · by u/ab2377

The LocalLLaMA community reacts to reports that Stripe is acquiring AI gateway startup OpenRouter for over $7 billion. OpenRouter provides a unified API routing layer across 400+ AI models and serves 8 million users globally. The community expresses concern about the implications for the open AI ecosystem, with many fearing the platform will become less neutral and more focused on monetization under Stripe's ownership.

Interesting Points
  • OpenRouter claims to offer developers access to more than 400 distinct AI models through its unified routing infrastructure.
  • The startup currently reports a user base of 8 million global customers utilizing its model selection tools.
  • Key institutional investors backing OpenRouter's prior funding round include Sequoia, Andreessen Horowitz, Menlo Ventures, and Alphabet's Capital G.
Top Comments

The meaning of the word 'open' is being kinda redefined

u/boomskats (permalink)

Sucks to see the enshitification begin, glad we have our local setups

u/PraxisOG (permalink)

Fuck. Thats all I have to say. Goodbye openrouter you served me well these last few years.

u/falconandeagle (permalink)


Petition to add a rule for people to add their DAMN quant levels to their posts

509 points · 53 comments · r/LocalLLaMA · by u/Su1tz

A community member petitions for a rule requiring users to specify their quantization level, inference engine, and hardware specs when posting about model performance. The frustration stems from posts comparing models without mentioning critical details like which quant was used, context length, or KV cache settings — making comparisons meaningless. The community overwhelmingly supports the idea, with many sharing examples of how incomplete information leads to misleading conclusions.

Interesting Points
  • The poster notes that comparison posts often omit quantization details, leading to misleading conclusions like 'the 9B model is better than the 27B model' without mentioning that the 9B was running at a much higher quant.
  • Community members shared that sharing complete llama.cpp benchmark commands with all parameters (quant type, context, KV cache, layers offloaded, GPU info) is the gold standard for reproducible results.
  • Temperature settings were also flagged as a commonly omitted but critical parameter for fair comparisons.
Top Comments

Yeah i used to reply to posts/comments that didn't mention their specific quant, inference engine and harness. Now either i keep scrolling or make a comment like your post here

u/datbackup (62 points · permalink)

and posts like, how to run glm5.2 on laptop

u/Fun_Jaguar8231 (40 points · permalink)

Temperature, too.

I RUN ALL MY BENCHMARKS AT TEMP 0 BECAUSE CHATGPT TOLD ME THIS WHAT I SHOULD ALWAYS DO

u/Repulsive_Initial308 (29 points · permalink)


llama.cpp version v0.1.0 has been released

434 points · 47 comments · r/LocalLLaMA · by u/Warrenio

llama.cpp version v0.1.0 has been released

llama.cpp has reached its first semantic version tag, v0.1.0, marking a transition from sequential build numbers to formal versioning. The milestone reflects the project's maturation and the growing complexity of its feature set, which now includes support for diverse model architectures, quantization schemes, and inference backends. The community celebrated the achievement, though some noted that much of the development has been driven by corporate contributors from Nvidia, IBM, and Hugging Face.

Interesting Points
  • The project is transitioning from sequential build numbers (like b10456) to semantic versioning.
  • The first semantic version tag was created on August 17, 2026.
  • Community members noted that much of the contributions have come from corporate backers including Nvidia, IBM, and Hugging Face.
  • Users requested better changelogs for major version changes to track deprecations.
Top Comments

It took long time to reach v0.1 pretty humble progress for such project, congrats!

u/feelspeaceman (permalink)

Great news, I hope they will also do changelogs for more major versions to indicate whats deprecated because now I need to read the logs every update (for example yesterday I noticed that —no-mmap is deprecated so I will need to change my launch commands)

u/AXYZE8 (permalink)

llama.cpp releases page be like

b12345 4 hours ago

  • NVIDIA: added one line for B400 improvement

b12344 5 hours ago

  • rewritten in Rust by GLM5.8 and Claude Overlord

b12343 5 hours 15 minutes ago

  • Intel: deleted one line for Some Lake
  • AMD: removed support for a feature

it really sucks yeah

u/beryugyo619 (permalink)


Long Review: Qwen 3.8 27B is VERY good at tapping into it's real-world knowledge. It's "overthinking" brings it to Sonnet level performance with the potential for Opus level results.

388 points · 85 comments · r/LocalLLaMA · by u/maxwell321

Long Review: Qwen 3.8 27B is VERY good at tapping into it's real-world knowledge. It's "overthinking" brings it to Sonnet level performance with the potential for Opus level results.

A detailed review of Qwen 3.8 27B from a user running it on three 3090s with 128GB RAM. The reviewer found that Qwen 3.8 significantly outperforms Qwen 3.6 in precision and detail, particularly in code generation and classic arcade game recreation tests. The model's deep reasoning capability closes the gap between local and proprietary models substantially, though the default xhigh reasoning mode causes excessive token consumption on simple tasks.

Interesting Points
  • The reviewer tested the model on 1:1 recreation of classic arcade games (Galaga, Donkey Kong, Pac-Man) as a benchmark for detail precision.
  • Qwen 3.6 would get the basics down but always felt about 75% there, while Qwen 3.8 draws out tiny details and nails them after extended reasoning.
  • The reviewer is using Unsloth's UD-Q8_K_XL quant as a drop-in replacement for Qwen 3.6 27B at the same quant size.
  • The reviewer previously relied on Deepseek V4 Flash alongside Qwen 3.6 but now feels the latter is no longer necessary.
Top Comments

Is it just me or do all these post with "it can make a flappy bird" it can make space invaders" giving a false bias of competence of ai?

It can make it, because it has reference of what flappy bird should look like. I can make space invaders, including the "insert a coin" screen because the the sample data is out there.

u/Koakie (187 points · permalink)

It absolutely is, and people just do it because it looks impressive. If you try to do any unique real work with it and not just a benchmark or a "do this thing you were exactly trained to do" you will almost immediately notice its limitations.

u/Shot-Buffalo-2603 (39 points · permalink)

I agree and this is a limitation of AI in general. Like a benchmark or test people are running to test against 'capability' is really testing what is in its training data and/or how well it executes on it's training.

u/CC_NHS (5 points · permalink)


Unitree previews a humanoid that jumps higher than any human and has a faster top speed than Usain Bolt (It's called Superman).

322 points · 17 comments · r/singularity · by u/Xvalt01

Unitree Robotics has unveiled a new humanoid robot called Superman that can jump higher than any human and run faster than Usain Bolt. The preview demonstrates the robot's impressive athletic capabilities, including high-speed running and powerful jumps, showcasing significant advances in humanoid robotics. The demonstration has sparked discussion about the pace of progress in physical AI and robotics.

Interesting Points
  • The robot is named Superman and demonstrates athletic capabilities exceeding human records in both jumping height and running speed.
  • The preview showcases significant advances in humanoid robotics, particularly in dynamic movement and physical performance.
  • The demonstration has sparked discussion about the pace of progress in physical AI and robotics.
Top Comments

gif

u/Sunstorm84 (93 points · permalink)

But why does the robot run like it just shit it's pants?

u/dabbydabdabdabdab (37 points · permalink)

Given its speed, maybe it's the humans that have the wrong technique.

I'm pant shit running from now on.

u/ThingeesWanderingEye (15 points · permalink)


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